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	<title>Comments on: Justin Gatlin 4.42 40 Yard Dash</title>
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		<title>By: Markham Lee</title>
		<link>http://speedendurance.com/2008/04/04/justin-gatlin-442-40-yard-dash/#comment-83333</link>
		<dc:creator>Markham Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Tom 100%, the NFL Combine 40-yard is only partially automatic timed and the clock doesn&#039;t start until you start moving. 

So instead of roughly 0.24 seconds being added to your time as soon the gun goes off, you get to take that OFF your time, plus the human who reacts and stats the clock has to REACT to the athlete who is already running. 

So unlike a hand timed (or partially) hand timed where both timer and athlete are reacting are reacting to the same gun, the athlete moves and then the timer reacts. Both of those items could easily remove 0.5 seconds from ones time, because by the time the athlete is moving he&#039;s already 0.24 into his sprint and he&#039;s already benefiting from not having that 0.24 added to his time from having to react to the gun. 

Think: the guy is 0.24 seconds into his sprint by the time the clock starts, and he wasn&#039;t in the blocks for 0.24 seconds after the gun went off. 

These 4.2s and 4.3s, would be 4.7s and 4.8s if timed by IAAF standards.


Plus on the combine today they were saying how you&#039;re decelerating towards the end of the 40-yard, NO top sprinter in college (let alone world class) is decelerating at that point, more like accelerating through 50-60 meters. 

A track sprinter would smoke these guys in the 60, let alone the 100.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tom 100%, the NFL Combine 40-yard is only partially automatic timed and the clock doesn&#8217;t start until you start moving. </p>
<p>So instead of roughly 0.24 seconds being added to your time as soon the gun goes off, you get to take that OFF your time, plus the human who reacts and stats the clock has to REACT to the athlete who is already running. </p>
<p>So unlike a hand timed (or partially) hand timed where both timer and athlete are reacting are reacting to the same gun, the athlete moves and then the timer reacts. Both of those items could easily remove 0.5 seconds from ones time, because by the time the athlete is moving he&#8217;s already 0.24 into his sprint and he&#8217;s already benefiting from not having that 0.24 added to his time from having to react to the gun. </p>
<p>Think: the guy is 0.24 seconds into his sprint by the time the clock starts, and he wasn&#8217;t in the blocks for 0.24 seconds after the gun went off. </p>
<p>These 4.2s and 4.3s, would be 4.7s and 4.8s if timed by IAAF standards.</p>
<p>Plus on the combine today they were saying how you&#8217;re decelerating towards the end of the 40-yard, NO top sprinter in college (let alone world class) is decelerating at that point, more like accelerating through 50-60 meters. </p>
<p>A track sprinter would smoke these guys in the 60, let alone the 100.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://speedendurance.com/2008/04/04/justin-gatlin-442-40-yard-dash/#comment-73272</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised to see that nobody actually explained this phenomenon. First, a 40 yard dash is supposed to show how fast a defensive football player can reach the punt return man. (Avg. 40 yard punt with a 4.5 second hang time) So goes the logic that anything under 4.5 seconds is a good time. This is it&#039;s only application- it is never contested in track and field..mostly because it is an irrelevant distance.

Second, when measuring the 40 yard dash the NFL does not start the clock until the runner starts. The runner does not have to hear a gun and then react to that and then run. The average reaction time is .24 seconds- that is a world of a difference in someone&#039;s 40 time. If it is electronic, which I would imagine is pretty standard now.. the human timer &quot;starts&quot; the electronic timer when the player starts, thus eliminating the .24 second reaction time. A computer stops the clock when the player crosses the finish line. A hand timed 40 have variations of around 0.5 seconds rendering these times useless for any comparisons. The NFL system would be considered partial electronic since a human starts the clock. In track and field, the starting gun is connected to the electronic timing system so when the trigger is pulled the clock is started and the runners react. 

Why the NFL does not consider reaction speed important is beyond me. Players have to react to the ball being hiked. The NFL way of doing it was probably born out of showing that their atheletes were at or better than the fastest men in the world. Obviously, that is pure speculation but it&#039;s the only logical assumption I can come up with. In reality, any world class sprinter would not be able to be touched by 99.9% of NFL players. 

As for Gatlin, he is either out of shape, injured, or just is not used to not reacting to a gun. I&#039;d say out of shape although it&#039;s really anyone&#039;s guess. It just doesn&#039;t follow that his start isn&#039;t better than any football player- and the fact that no NFL player comes close to his sub 10 100m times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised to see that nobody actually explained this phenomenon. First, a <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">40 yard</a> dash is supposed to show how fast a defensive football player can reach the punt return man. (Avg. <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">40 yard</a> punt with a 4.5 second hang time) So goes the logic that anything under 4.5 seconds is a good time. This is it&#8217;s only application- it is never contested in track and field..mostly because it is an irrelevant distance.</p>
<p>Second, when measuring the <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">40 yard dash</a> the NFL does not start the clock until the runner starts. The runner does not have to hear a gun and then react to that and then run. The average <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/reactiontime" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/reactiontime';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">reaction time</a> is .24 seconds- that is a world of a difference in someone&#8217;s 40 time. If it is electronic, which I would imagine is pretty standard now.. the human timer &#8220;starts&#8221; the electronic timer when the player starts, thus eliminating the .24 second <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/reactiontime" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/reactiontime';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">reaction time</a>. A computer stops the clock when the player crosses the finish line. A hand timed 40 have variations of around 0.5 seconds rendering these times useless for any comparisons. The NFL system would be considered partial electronic since a human starts the clock. In track and field, the starting gun is connected to the electronic timing system so when the trigger is pulled the clock is started and the runners react. </p>
<p>Why the NFL does not consider reaction speed important is beyond me. Players have to react to the ball being hiked. The NFL way of doing it was probably born out of showing that their atheletes were at or better than the fastest men in the world. Obviously, that is pure speculation but it&#8217;s the only logical assumption I can come up with. In reality, any world class sprinter would not be able to be touched by 99.9% of NFL players. </p>
<p>As for Gatlin, he is either out of shape, injured, or just is not used to not reacting to a gun. I&#8217;d say out of shape although it&#8217;s really anyone&#8217;s guess. It just doesn&#8217;t follow that his start isn&#8217;t better than any football player- and the fact that no NFL player comes close to his sub 10 100m times.</p>
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		<title>By: Southern California at tOSU (Sept 12th, 8 pm, ESPN) - Page 56 - BuckeyePlanet Ohio State Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Southern California at tOSU (Sept 12th, 8 pm, ESPN) - Page 56 - BuckeyePlanet Ohio State Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 40 time (4.42, 4.45). He ran a 9.85 100m back in the day. I&#039;ll search for more if you wish?  Justin Gatlin 4.42 40 Yard Dash &#124; SpeedEndurance.com  What I&#039;m trying to say is that we can&#039;t judge the first 40 yards of a Usain Bolt 100m dash to what [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 40 time (4.42, 4.45). He ran a 9.85 100m back in the day. I&#8217;ll search for more if you wish?  Justin Gatlin 4.42 <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">40 Yard</a> Dash | SpeedEndurance.com  What I&#8217;m trying to say is that we can&#8217;t judge the first 40 yards of a <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/bolt" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/bolt';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">Usain Bolt</a> 100m dash to what [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PODCAST - Vince Anderson - Technical Aspects of Sprinting and Technique &#124; SpeedEndurance.com</title>
		<link>http://speedendurance.com/2008/04/04/justin-gatlin-442-40-yard-dash/#comment-24996</link>
		<dc:creator>PODCAST - Vince Anderson - Technical Aspects of Sprinting and Technique &#124; SpeedEndurance.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 07:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] coached a number of athletes to NCAA and US national titles, including Leonard Scott, Jabari Greer, Justin Gatlin, Gary Kikaya and most recently, Muna Lee, the 2008 US Olympic trials champion in the women’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] coached a number of athletes to <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/NCAA" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/NCAA';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">NCAA</a> and US national titles, including Leonard Scott, Jabari Greer, Justin Gatlin, Gary Kikaya and most recently, Muna Lee, the 2008 US Olympic trials champion in the women’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fast, Faster and Fastest - Complete Guide to Improve your 40 Yard Dash &#124; SpeedEndurance.com</title>
		<link>http://speedendurance.com/2008/04/04/justin-gatlin-442-40-yard-dash/#comment-18494</link>
		<dc:creator>Fast, Faster and Fastest - Complete Guide to Improve your 40 Yard Dash &#124; SpeedEndurance.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 05:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Justin Gatlin 4.42 40 Yard Dash - Justin Gatlin&#8217;s 4.42 electronic 40 yard dash is still impressive despite running a 9.77 100 meter dash during his running prime [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Justin Gatlin 4.42 <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">40 Yard</a> Dash &#8211; Justin Gatlin&#8217;s 4.42 electronic <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">40 yard</a> dash is still impressive despite running a 9.77 100 meter dash during his running prime [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitry</title>
		<link>http://speedendurance.com/2008/04/04/justin-gatlin-442-40-yard-dash/#comment-9406</link>
		<dc:creator>Dimitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gatlin just killed the average person&#039;s perception of the track athlete, or greatly enhanced their perception of the football athlete.  Here&#039;s why:
gatlin is: 1. not training much.  2. off the juice .  In his 9.7 form, he&#039;s through the 40 yards in 3.95-4.05, no questions, just simple math/physics of that run.  Slower than 4.05 you&#039;ve got no chance of breaking 9.9 in the 100 meters (remember, 100 meters is about 110 yards, and those sub 9.8 times are electronic!  A 9.74 electronic 100 meters is like a 8.70 hand timed 100 yards ! (minus 0.8 seconds for the added 9.4 yards and minus 0.24 seconds for the electronic/hand time conversion.))
 Read that again.  8.70 100 yards.  I don&#039;t care what your top end speed is!  if gatlin runs 4.4 for the 40 yard, that means his last 60 yards is 4.3?  LOL.  No, what&#039;s going on is that Gatlin has been reduced back to the mere &quot;mortal&quot; speed of 10.6-10.8 100 meter times until he can find a &quot;coach&quot; (read: &quot;pharmacist&quot;)  that can bring him back to 9.7 form.  I&#039;ve timed a lot of elite sprinters off video through 40 yards in 100 meter races.  Granted, it&#039;s approximate, but good quality video lets you see the hurdle markers, and you can get to within a few inches of where 40 yards is.    10 flat in the 100 meters equates to a 4.05 40 yard, both electronic timing.  You take out reaction and it&#039;s 3.95 or so.  
what i am trying to say:  elite sprinters are ridiculously faster than anything that exists in the NFL.  Again, Gatlin just killed the average person&#039;s perception of the track athlete, or greatly enhanced their perception of the football athlete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gatlin just killed the average person&#8217;s perception of the track athlete, or greatly enhanced their perception of the football athlete.  Here&#8217;s why:<br />
gatlin is: 1. not training much.  2. off the juice .  In his 9.7 form, he&#8217;s through the 40 yards in 3.95-4.05, no questions, just simple math/physics of that run.  Slower than 4.05 you&#8217;ve got no chance of breaking 9.9 in the 100 meters (remember, 100 meters is about 110 yards, and those sub 9.8 times are electronic!  A 9.74 electronic 100 meters is like a 8.70 hand timed 100 yards ! (minus 0.8 seconds for the added 9.4 yards and minus 0.24 seconds for the electronic/hand time conversion.))<br />
 Read that again.  8.70 100 yards.  I don&#8217;t care what your top end speed is!  if gatlin runs 4.4 for the <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">40 yard</a>, that means his last <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/60yards" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/60yards';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">60 yards</a> is 4.3?  LOL.  No, what&#8217;s going on is that Gatlin has been reduced back to the mere &#8220;mortal&#8221; speed of 10.6-10.8 100 meter times until he can find a &#8220;coach&#8221; (read: &#8220;pharmacist&#8221;)  that can bring him back to 9.7 form.  I&#8217;ve timed a lot of elite sprinters off video through 40 yards in 100 meter races.  Granted, it&#8217;s approximate, but good quality video lets you see the hurdle markers, and you can get to within a few inches of where 40 yards is.    10 flat in the 100 meters equates to a 4.05 <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/40yarddash';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">40 yard</a>, both electronic timing.  You take out reaction and it&#8217;s 3.95 or so.<br />
what i am trying to say:  elite sprinters are ridiculously faster than anything that exists in the NFL.  Again, Gatlin just killed the average person&#8217;s perception of the track athlete, or greatly enhanced their perception of the football athlete.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimson Lee</title>
		<link>http://speedendurance.com/2008/04/04/justin-gatlin-442-40-yard-dash/#comment-8195</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimson Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 04:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sprinter - yes, I agree with you.  Justin is definitely distracted right now, and is probably just maintaining his fitness, waiting for his appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sprinter &#8211; yes, I agree with you.  Justin is definitely distracted right now, and is probably just maintaining his fitness, waiting for his appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Sprinter</title>
		<link>http://speedendurance.com/2008/04/04/justin-gatlin-442-40-yard-dash/#comment-8192</link>
		<dc:creator>Sprinter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 02:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heres the thing...justin gatlin ran 3.9-4.0 40m sprint with the best top speed in the world in 2006....asafa powell runs roughly a 3.8-3.9 40 meter sprint and justin gatlin smoked his ass everytime and never lost a race in his career. Justin Gatlin has not trained professionally since 2006 and has not competed because the rules only let him train on his own with no professionals whatsoever....if he gets reinstated, watch his 40 time go below 4.0 i can guarantee that...its JUSTIN GATLIN!!!......o yeah, reggie bush ran a 4.33 in high school while running a 10.43 100m sprint....football players have okay 40 times but absolutely no top speed whatsoever</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heres the thing&#8230;justin gatlin ran 3.9-4.0 40m sprint with the best top speed in the world in 2006&#8230;.asafa powell runs roughly a 3.8-3.9 40 meter sprint and justin gatlin smoked his ass everytime and never lost a race in his career. Justin Gatlin has not trained professionally since 2006 and has not competed because the rules only let him train on his own with no professionals whatsoever&#8230;.if he gets reinstated, watch his 40 time go below 4.0 i can guarantee that&#8230;its JUSTIN GATLIN!!!&#8230;&#8230;o yeah, reggie bush ran a 4.33 in high school while running a 10.43 100m sprint&#8230;.football players have okay 40 times but absolutely no top speed whatsoever</p>
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		<title>By: Jimson Lee</title>
		<link>http://speedendurance.com/2008/04/04/justin-gatlin-442-40-yard-dash/#comment-6897</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimson Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adarian - I agree, I hate to think your entire future is based on a few &quot;tests&quot;.  Scouts has notes from 10 game seasons x 4 years to look at (plus their stats).  The combine should be icing on the cake.

Imagine if in track we were tested for reaction time?  0.100 would be excellent, and 0.250 horrible (which I&#039;ve seen for Quarter Milers, or in the NCAA where one false start and your gone)

If we took reaction time seriously, we might as well subtract it from the actual time.  Afterall, it is THE ACTUAL running time! 

Ben Johnson&#039;s 9.79 would really be a 9.65 (less 0.120)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adarian &#8211; I agree, I hate to think your entire future is based on a few &#8220;tests&#8221;.  Scouts has notes from 10 game seasons x 4 years to look at (plus their stats).  The combine should be icing on the cake.</p>
<p>Imagine if in track we were tested for <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/reactiontime" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/reactiontime';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">reaction time</a>?  0.100 would be excellent, and 0.250 horrible (which I&#8217;ve seen for Quarter Milers, or in the <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/NCAA" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/NCAA';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">NCAA</a> where one false start and your gone)</p>
<p>If we took <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/reactiontime" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/reactiontime';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">reaction time</a> seriously, we might as well subtract it from the actual time.  Afterall, it is THE ACTUAL running time! </p>
<p>Ben Johnson&#8217;s 9.79 would really be a 9.65 (less 0.120)</p>
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		<title>By: adarian</title>
		<link>http://speedendurance.com/2008/04/04/justin-gatlin-442-40-yard-dash/#comment-6894</link>
		<dc:creator>adarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another subject what are the chances of someone doing bad a pro-day?
Most are closed to the public.
Plus, how would the school look, how would the strength coach looked if the athletes didn&#039;t perform well.

At the NFL combine I think  the highest vertical was around 36 inches and the longest standing long jump was just over 10 feet, and they had a few sub 4.4 40/

How many of the Tennessee athletes put up better numbers on a percentage basis?

2 percent of the NFL combine athletes run sub 4.4, Tennessee had a 70 percent rate.  Zero percent 40 inch verticals, Tennessee 90 percent.

What are the odds really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another subject what are the chances of someone doing bad a pro-day?<br />
Most are closed to the public.<br />
Plus, how would the school look, how would the strength coach looked if the athletes didn&#8217;t perform well.</p>
<p>At the NFL combine I think  the highest vertical was around 36 inches and the longest standing <a href="http://speedendurance.com/go/triplejump" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://speedendurance.com/go/triplejump';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">long jump</a> was just over 10 feet, and they had a few sub 4.4 40/</p>
<p>How many of the Tennessee athletes put up better numbers on a percentage basis?</p>
<p>2 percent of the NFL combine athletes run sub 4.4, Tennessee had a 70 percent rate.  Zero percent 40 inch verticals, Tennessee 90 percent.</p>
<p>What are the odds really?</p>
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